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Yes, I said, but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two. Had we the knowledge at our birth, or did we recollect the things which we knew previously to our birth? Purchase a copy of this text (not necessarily the same edition) from Amazon.com This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 United States License . Thus she seeks to live while she lives, and after death she hopes to go to her own kindred and to that which is like her, and to be freed from human ills.          ‘But when lust, There is temperance again, which even by the vulgar is supposed to consist in the control and regulation of the passions, and in the sense of superiority to them—is not temperance a virtue belonging to those only who despise the body, and who pass their lives in philosophy? Very true, said Cebes. ECHECRATES: PHAEDO: Then these (so-called) equals are not the same with the idea of equality? For I am quite ready to admit, Simmias and Cebes, that I ought to be grieved at death, if I were not persuaded in the first place that I am going to other gods who are wise and good (of which I am as certain as I can be of any such matters), and secondly (though I am not so sure of this last) to men departed, better than those whom I leave behind; and therefore I do not grieve as I might have done, for I have good hope that there is yet something remaining for the dead, and as has been said of old, some far better thing for the good than for the evil.          And linked itself by carnal sensuality Phaedrus (Full Text) Plato. 3 (1 Review) Free Download. PHAEDO: And that which is not more or less harmonized cannot have more or less of harmony, but only an equal harmony? Simmias said laughingly: Though not in a laughing humour, you have made me laugh, Socrates; for I cannot help thinking that the many when they hear your words will say how truly you have described philosophers, and our people at home will likewise say that the life which philosophers desire is in reality death, and that they have found them out to be deserving of the death which they desire. 8 0 obj And the true philosophers, and they only, are ever seeking to release the soul. Gallop, D. Plato: Phaedo. Phaedo is an account of the final hours before Socrates ’s execution in prison. At length he said: You are raising a tremendous question, Cebes, involving the whole nature of generation and corruption, about which, if you like, I will give you my own experience; and if anything which I say is likely to avail towards the solution of your difficulty you may make use of it. and yet, if even they are inaccurate and indistinct, what is to be said of the other senses?—for you will allow that they are the best of them? In the course of my life I have often had intimations in dreams ‘that I should compose music.’ The same dream came to me sometimes in one form, and sometimes in another, but always saying the same or nearly the same words: ‘Cultivate and make music,’ said the dream. Of what nature? That would be impossible, he replied. Very true. And the same may be said of the immortal: if the immortal is also imperishable, then the soul will be imperishable as well as immortal; but if not, some other proof of her imperishableness will have to be given. ECHECRATES: That is true, he said. PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: That is certain. Certainly, he will. Let us then, in the first place, he said, be careful of allowing or of admitting into our souls the notion that there is no health or soundness in any arguments at all. So much is clear—that when we perceive something, either by the help of sight, or hearing, or some other sense, from that perception we are able to obtain a notion of some other thing like or unlike which is associated with it but has been forgotten. Upon this Cebes said: I am glad, Socrates, that you have mentioned the name of Aesop. What do you think? I am sure, said Cebes, that I should greatly like to know your opinion about them. And then he proceeds to ask of some one who is incredulous, whether a man lasts longer, or the coat which is in use and wear; and when he is answered that a man lasts far longer, thinks that he has thus certainly demonstrated the survival of the man, who is the more lasting, because the less lasting remains. Is not forgetting, Simmias, just the losing of knowledge? Socrates alone retained his calmness: What is this strange outcry? Very true. However, Phaedo managed to slip out to listen to Socrates, who eventually persuaded either Cebes or Alcibiades or Crito and their friends to ransom him so that he could be free and study philosophy. But now, inasmuch as the soul is manifestly immortal, there is no release or salvation from evil except the attainment of the highest virtue and wisdom. And, further, is not one part of us body, another part soul? And now, if you please, let us return to the point of the argument at which we digressed. True, he said. I do. Return to top. When she saw us she uttered a cry and said, as women will: ‘O Socrates, this is the last time that either you will converse with your friends, or they with you.’ Socrates turned to Crito and said: ‘Crito, let some one take her home.’ Some of Crito’s people accordingly led her away, crying out and beating herself. I can only say in answer—the living. I was pleased, but in the pleasure there was also a strange admixture of pain; for I reflected that he was soon to die, and this double feeling was shared by us all; we were laughing and weeping by turns, especially the excitable Apollodorus—you know the sort of man? Album Phaedrus. And the true philosophers, Simmias, are always occupied in the practice of dying, wherefore also to them least of all men is death terrible. Certainly not, answered Simmias. What do you mean? Plato wrote approximately thirty dialogues. PHAEDO Phaedo, known to the ancients also by the descriptive title On the Soul, is a drama about Socrates' last hours and his death in the jail at Athens. Then I will tell you, said Socrates. But the virtue which is made up of these goods, when they are severed from wisdom and exchanged with one another, is a shadow of virtue only, nor is there any freedom or health or truth in her; but in the true exchange there is a purging away of all these things, and temperance, and justice, and courage, and wisdom herself are the purgation of them. And thus having got rid of the foolishness of the body we shall be pure and hold converse with the pure, and know of ourselves the clear light everywhere, which is no other than the light of truth.’ For the impure are not permitted to approach the pure. The tale, my friend, he said, is as follows:—In the first place, the earth, when looked at from above, is in appearance streaked like one of those balls which have leather coverings in twelve pieces, and is decked with various colours, of which the colours used by painters on earth are in a manner samples. Like children, you are haunted with a fear that when the soul leaves the body, the wind may really blow her away and scatter her; especially if a man should happen to die in a great storm and not when the sky is calm. Very true. Quite so. What I mean is that men who have followed after gluttony, and wantonness, and drunkenness, and have had no thought of avoiding them, would pass into asses and animals of that sort. And if that which is cold were imperishable, when the warm principle came attacking the snow, must not the snow have retired whole and unmelted—for it could never have perished, nor could it have remained and admitted the heat? Yet, said Crito, the sun is still upon the hill-tops, and I know that many a one has taken the draught late, and after the announcement has been made to him, he has eaten and drunk, and enjoyed the society of his beloved; do not hurry—there is time enough. What was the reason of this? They both agreed to this statement of them. But if the knowledge which we acquired before birth was lost by us at birth, and if afterwards by the use of the senses we recovered what we previously knew, will not the process which we call learning be a recovering of the knowledge which is natural to us, and may not this be rightly termed recollection? Please then to do as I say, and not to refuse me. He agreed. But there is no harmony, he said, in the two propositions that knowledge is recollection, and that the soul is a harmony. Phaedo Plato After an interval of some months or years, and at Phlius, a town of Peloponnesus, the tale of the last hours of Socrates is narrated to Echecrates and other Phliasians by Phaedo … 1986 This translation is the best English translation ever done by a scholar famous for his scrupulous.Benjamin Jowett translation, with introduction. Then, Cebes, beyond question, the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world! You would say: I will let alone puzzles of division and addition—wiser heads than mine may answer them; inexperienced as I am, and ready to start, as the proverb says, at my own shadow, I cannot afford to give up the sure ground of a principle. But I wanted to see whether I could purge away a scruple which I felt about the meaning of certain dreams. And in some cases the name of the idea is not only attached to the idea in an eternal connection, but anything else which, not being the idea, exists only in the form of the idea, may also lay claim to it. And there are many other examples: would you not say, for example, that three may be called by its proper name, and also be called odd, which is not the same with three? By. And that by greatness only great things become great and greater greater, and by smallness the less become less? Phaedo; translated by E.M. Do you know of any?          But most by lewd and lavish act of sin, O my blessed Simmias, is there not one true coin for which all things ought to be exchanged?—and that is wisdom; and only in exchange for this, and in company with this, is anything truly bought or sold, whether courage or temperance or justice. To be sure. Narrate what passed as exactly as you can. What is it, Socrates? And that is what I mean by saying that, in a sense, they are made temperate through intemperance. And we, Socrates, replied Simmias, shall be charmed to listen to you. And that principle which repels the musical, or the just? And what about the pleasures of love—should he care for them? And now, O my judges, I desire to prove to you that the real philosopher has reason to be of good cheer when he is about to die, and that after death he may hope to obtain the greatest good in the other world. Very true. Then bursting into tears he turned away and went out. Whereas, Simmias, the rest of the world are of opinion that to him who has no sense of pleasure and no part in bodily pleasure, life is not worth having; and that he who is indifferent about them is as good as dead. Yes, I do. Socrates said: Let the voice of the charmer be applied daily until you have charmed away the fear. This commentary is now available for $14.95 on Amazon.com. And what did you think, he said, of that part of the argument in which we said that knowledge was recollection, and hence inferred that the soul must have previously existed somewhere else before she was enclosed in the body? PHAEDO: Instead of caring about them, does he not rather despise anything more than nature needs? Plato – Phaedo (Full Text) | Genius PHAEDO: It is the ship in which, according to Athenian tradition, Theseus went to Crete when he took with him the fourteen youths, and was the saviour of them and of himself. And those who appear to have lived neither well nor ill, go to the river Acheron, and embarking in any vessels which they may find, are carried in them to the lake, and there they dwell and are purified of their evil deeds, and having suffered the penalty of the wrongs which they have done to others, they are absolved, and receive the rewards of their good deeds, each of them according to his deserts. And I rejoiced to think that I had found in Anaxagoras a teacher of the causes of existence such as I desired, and I imagined that he would tell me first whether the earth is flat or round; and whichever was true, he would proceed to explain the cause and the necessity of this being so, and then he would teach me the nature of the best and show that this was best; and if he said that the earth was in the centre, he would further explain that this position was the best, and I should be satisfied with the explanation given, and not want any other sort of cause. Of all this we may certainly affirm that we acquired the knowledge before birth? Yes, Echecrates, I was. And therefore Simmias is said to be great, and is also said to be small, because he is in a mean between them, exceeding the smallness of the one by his greatness, and allowing the greatness of the other to exceed his smallness. And is this always the case? And if any one assails you there, you would not mind him, or answer him, until you had seen whether the consequences which follow agree with one another or not, and when you are further required to give an explanation of this principle, you would go on to assume a higher principle, and a higher, until you found a resting-place in the best of the higher; but you would not confuse the principle and the consequences in your reasoning, like the Eristics—at least if you wanted to discover real existence. Yes. This banner text can have markup.. web; books; video; audio; software; images; Toggle navigation SCENE: Under a plane-tree, by the banks of the Ilissus. 9 0 obj Skip to page content; Skip to text only view of this item; Skip to search in this text; ... Search full-text index. I mean that if any one asks you ‘what that is, of which the inherence makes the body hot,’ you will reply not heat (this is what I call the safe and stupid answer), but fire, a far superior answer, which we are now in a condition to give. The founders of the mysteries would appear to have had a real meaning, and were not talking nonsense when they intimated in a figure long ago that he who passes unsanctified and uninitiated into the world below will lie in a slough, but that he who arrives there after initiation and purification will dwell with the gods. as I have certainly heard Philolaus, about whom you were just now asking, affirm when he was staying with us at Thebes: and there are others who say the same, although I have never understood what was meant by any of them. And can all this be true, think you? What was the manner of his death, Phaedo? He proceeded: And did you deny the force of the whole preceding argument, or of a part only? Be of good cheer, then, my dear Crito, and say that you are burying my body only, and do with that whatever is usual, and what you think best. Phaedo : Plato : 9780199538935 We use cookies to give you the best possible experience. Or speaking more correctly, Simmias, the soul, if she is a harmony, will never have any vice; because a harmony, being absolutely a harmony, has no part in the inharmonical. Full Text Phaedo Full Text Phaedo. I agree, he said. (But compare Republic.) Not by man, Socrates. And they were said to have vowed to Apollo at the time, that if they were saved they would send a yearly mission to Delos. There is a doctrine whispered in secret that man is a prisoner who has no right to open the door and run away; this is a great mystery which I do not quite understand. May certainly affirm that we converse a little of the Prison are a philosopher of. Portions of wood and strings will decay before anything can happen to a diagram or anything. 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